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2. The Battle of France
Posted by history-admin | 30/1/2008

The German invasion of France through Belgium and Holland completely catches the French army off guard. The ill-prepared British and Belgium armies are totally defeated by German armoured divisions. Victory is swift and spectacular for the Axis. The French government flee to Bordeaux and Paris is occupied on June 14th. France capitulates on June 25.

What are your thoughts of this battle?

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savage714 | 11/1/2009 11:34PM

noblejoel, the French Army was consider (though wrongly) the most formidable army in the world before the battle. I believe they were also much larger when the battle began, and also had the support of the BEF and other nations. On paper, it would look like the French should win, but they were only like a thin eggshell of what they seemed to be. Their military doctrine was very out of touch with the times, and they had no idea how to properly use their new equipment. Discipline in the French army was also very poor, and the men often neglected to salute superiors, often shirked duties, and often did not even wear uniforms properly. I don't mean to be offensive to anyone, but the French army has never really had a reputation for being very disciplined, or particularly brave. I can't think of a time, after the Napoleonic wars, that the French were really feared or considered a real threat to their enemies. Ever since Napoleon's reign, France has not been a very "miltaristic" nation. They've seemed to avoid conflicts (for the most part), and enjoy civil life more than military life. They've certainly won battles and mounted heroic efforts in conflicts, but for some reason they have developed this sort of reputation about their military being lax on discipline and the men not taking it very serious. They certainly had not taken the German threat serious enough before WWII, and they suffered the consequences. The "Battle of France" was extremely important to the evolution of modern combat. As other's have said, even modern campaigns, like "Desert Storm" and "Iraqi Freedom", used classical Blitzkrieg tactics. The fact that a nation that was once in shambles rose up to defeat, in only six weeks, what was the largest and considered the most formidable army in the world, atests to the brilliance of the concept. This was in the days before Hitler overbearingly meddled in military affairs too much, and before he began undermining the effectiveness of his own forces. This was when brilliant German commanders were able to show their skill and resourcefulness, without being second guessed by crazed, fanatical, and delusional politicians. Grahame, I would like to mention that Hitler actually wanted the army to halt long before Arras. He felt that the fast moving Panzer units would get too far away from the infantry and their supply columns, and he actually ordered his commanders to halt for them to catch up. However, seizing the initiative, the commanders disobeyed him and pressed forward, totally splitting the enemies' forces in two. Under normal circumstances, he would have brutally punished disobedience, but he was so pleased with the results that he actually praised the commanders (that is, just before he convinced himself that it was his idea all along! LOL!). The Germans could have, very likely, totally decimated the BEF at Dunkirk if they had seriously attempted. However, Hitler really wanted to have the British sign a peace treaty. He wanted conflict in the west to end, thus freeing his forces up for his ultimate dream of conquering the Soviet Union. He actually admired the British empire. He felt that if he ruthlessly slaughtered their troops at Dunkirk, while they were trying to withdraw, that he would be hated even more by the English and that they would never sign a peace treaty. So, the Luftwaffe was tasked with destroying British equipment at Dunkirk, and they were told to try to avoid killing the men. But, what Hitler thought was some "charitable act of mercy" was not seen as such by the English. They remained defiant of Hitler, and that lead to the "Battle of Britain". That's another story in itself, but feel free to check out my post in the BoB section in which I explore that conflict in further detail and address many historical myths surrounding it.

Grahame217 | 2/5/2008 3:28PM

Ths only French offensive of World War Two was at the start of the war when germany's attention was focussed on Poland. Despite the best eforts of the newsreel commentatots at the time, the French army pushed into Germany for a couple of kilometres and then withdrew, without doing any substantial damage to German morale of military capacity. This was perhaps a symptom of the French malaise at the time. Allied powers siffered from the sickness that was Victory - World War One had caused great stagnation within France and Great Britain, in germany, defeat had brought change and a new approach to war.

Grahame217 | 24/4/2008 3:23PM

It should be noted that at Arras, the Matilda 11 tanks of 6 RTR forced Hitler and his general's to contemplate the 'Halt' that saved the BEF at Dunkirk - the tough armour of the Matilda's caused the Wehmarcht to upgun to the short 5cm and long 5cm for tank guns, whereas the Dunkirk losses denied the speedier introduction of the British 6pdr - the impact of this battle was felt throughout the Allied armies for the next 5 years.

neuempire | 17/2/2008 5:03PM

All in all the Battle/Campaign of France in 1940 was stunning. 6 weeks! When you consider that the Allies would take ove 10 months after D-Day to recapture France! Blitzkieg at its best.

russjparker | 6/2/2008 11:05PM

I agree with numerous other posters - how is "greatest" defined? I chose the Battle of France because of its influence on warfare. It represents the genesis of modern warfare and the Wermacht's key tenets of firepower, manoeuvre and combined arms (the air-land battle) are still studied and applied on the modern battlefield. Desert Storm and the invasion of Iraq are classic blitzkreig battles. The fact that the Battle was fought and won by a nation which only 15 years before was destitute only makes it more compelling as the "greatest" (most influential) battle of WW II.

Dietrich | 6/2/2008 9:34PM

The French did not stand much of a chance, it was a time of armoured warfare and France used there tanks in a completly foolish way. They used there armour in small formations that supported the infantry, the Wehrmacht did the opposite where they would have there tanks in large formations and the infantry would simply defend the land the tanks took. An army that refuses to modernize and accept reality is completly ineffective. The french did have their fair share of modern equipment but they used it in the wrong way.

mickbell | 6/2/2008 4:02PM

i don't understand this even being called a great battle.the biggest army in thw world beaten in 6 weeks.

laboodle | 6/2/2008 3:58PM

We can only wonder at the mentality of the commanders of the armies - not only did they get it wrong with tanks being able to get through, they did not even have any spotters to provide advance warning. An army in bush covered surroundings wouldn't be that hard to see!

MarkBretherton | 5/2/2008 1:03PM

If France did not fall in 1940 there would probably not be a world war. Until France well the war was a localised European war between Germany, France and Britain. When France fell Italy joined the war; the Germans felt bold enough to invade the USSR; America felt it could no longer remain on the sidelines and supported Britain and the Japanese felt bold enough to expand in SE Asia. The fall of France turned a minor European conflict into a world war.

buffardn | 3/2/2008 7:32PM

I thin that they should have built the maginot line along the ardennes. Also the political climate in France during these dark period was creating in feeling of hopleness and insecurity.The third republic was dying and therefore the whole system left the French political system to accept the Facist ideas and resilience

noblejoel | 2/2/2008 12:05PM

I saw a doco that the history channel showed on the battle of France, pretty amazing. I don't know if the doco makers had some agenda, but the way they put it, seemed like the French had more than enough opportunities to go on the front foot against the Germans before they invaded, but did nothing. Maybe if theey did, the entire course of the war may have been different??

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